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Eirik
18-05-2000, 03:25 PM
The current 33bhp limit for the first two years is absolutely brilliant, because it gives the novice a chance to learn how to ride before he or she scares themselves silly with 180hp monsters. So, I'll leave them to themselves. But what if you either are old enough to avoid the limitation, or already past it - what should you buy then?

First, sit down and ask yourself what's important to you. Here are a few leads:

1) Do you plan to use it for daily transport? If yes, and since we all live in a wet climate, go for a bike with shaft or belt final drive. You'll save a fortune in time and money. If no, look further down.

2) Is overall running and purchase cost important? If yes, avoid bikes that are known to be problematic or overly complex to service. Also, avoid rare bikes. A workhorse is your best bet. If you said yes to #1, Honda CX500, Kawasaki GT550, Yamaha XJ650 Seca, Suzuki GS650 Katana are all examples of brill workhorses that will run for a long long time with little trouble, and if they do become terminally ill, cheap spares are all over the place. If you are willing to pay extra for fuel and tyres in order to get more power, the Honda GL1100, Yamaha XS1100, Suzuki GS850/1000/1100G, Kawasaki Z1000/1100 Shaft will all be reliable stablemates. If no, buy what you please.

3) Are looks important? If so, you are most likely a candidate for a cruiser. Still, having some reliability is nice, which actually most have. These bikes are less stressed than sportier bikes, and usually ridden gentler as well. Find something you like and can afford to pay for. The worst bikes are those fitted with V4 engines, they are costly to run and doesn't offer the right beat for a cruiser.

4) Is handling important? Then any modern sportbike (post 1990) will be able to satisfy most of you, despite many complaining about how bad their 1998 model compare to the freshest version. Fact is that they all handle better than what is possible to legally use on public roads, and if you are a good rider you can take a bone stock 70hp standard motorcycle and leave the 180hp posers far behind on any road that isn't arrow straight. The more their bikes have been modified with costly stuff, the worse they are to ride usually.

5) Do you want the best bike in the world? Sorry, you can't have it! What is best differ from your needs. But here is my personal list of "best":

Missile: Kawasaki ZX-12R
Race replica: Honda CBR929RR
Cruiser: Any current Harely twin cam
Touring: Honda ST1100
Sport tourer: Triumph Sprint ST
Standard: Honda CB1300
Retro: Kawasaki W650
Commuter: Honda NTV650
Enduro: Honda XL650V Transalp

Tomorrow, my list will look different because my lust will be different ;)

5) Do you want a Jack-of-all-trades bike? Then you are like me. I want brilliant handling, plenty of grunt, low weight, great comfort, stunning looks, long range, simple maintenance, cheap to buy and low running cost. This bike hasn't been made. The closest thing is the NTV650, which is about as bland as they come. Another option is to make your own. Handling is the worst part. Since I don't like chain drive very much (most of my rides are between 100 and 300 miles per day, often for several days, which makes at least daily chain lubrication a must and a pain), getting a good-handling bike is not easy. The best is the XJ900 Diversion, but it's nearly as bland as the NTV. A decent beast to start out with, is the GSX1100G. It can be made into an acceptable handler with some suspension mods. However, these are out of my budget. Which leaves these:

Yamaha XS1100. Heavy brute with slow, cumbersome handling. Runs on narrow rims which makes it hard to get good grip from the tyres, and the fork is rather spindly for its size. But fitted with a fork brace and progressive fork springs, or even better - grafting on a modern front end, together with good quality suspension, it can be made into a decent handler. Engine takes all sorts of abuse, and delivers massive power.

Kawasaki KZ1000ST. Rough running engine in a softly suspended chassis. But the fork is very rigid and only needs better springs and thicker oil to work acceptably well. A set of Koni rear shocks completes the chassis modes required for sane, brisk riding. Engine is also tough, but not as much as the XS.

Suzuki GS850/1000/1100G. They are to me very bland, but long-lived beasts that handle better than the above and even comes with acceptable stock suspension. Only malady is weak electrics, but cures are available so it should only happen once, if ever.

Honda has nothing to offer unless you are willing to live with chain drive.

On a final note, no matter how much one modifies the chassis on these dinosaurs, neither can keep up with a modern 600cc sport bike ridden by an equally capable rider. But on a trip from let's say Dublin to Jerusalem, the one mounted on the old thing will arrive sooner and more relaxed and knowing that the trip and the bike combined cost much less than the 600 alone.

Citroman
19-05-2000, 08:53 AM
Well said. I think that the biggest problem with the latest superbikes is that most people do not understand how quickly they can accelerate. This is what kills many riders. The ZX12 and Hayabusa will cover the standing start 400 metres in under 10 secs and will be doing about 135mph.
People do not realise that it takes 6 times the skill to ride a motorcycle than that to drive a car. I think that all car drivers should receive bike training as it will make them better and safer drivers. Especially the skill of reading the road and traffic behaviour ahead.
I agree with your list of bikes except I am not a big Harley fan. To me the only way I would own one is to have one as a second bike to be used for specific times.
My preference is long distance touring and for that I use a Yamaha FJ1200. I would prefer the ST1100 but I will have to wait till I come back in another life with longer legs. My 1991 FJ with 80,000+ miles was getting a bit shook and I went to look at the Honda Deauville (not enough power/torque) and then at a ZZR1100 (love the power but I dislike the riding position)and a Triumph Trophy. But then i saw a 96 FJ1200 in uk with only 8,000 miles (which is only run in milage on an FJ). Straight over at Easter and I am now enjoying the full power and massive torque which was lacking in recent times on my previous FJ. With 125bhp and 250 kgs weight it is the equivent of 500 bhp/ tonne. Very few road cars can get near this type of performance.
Even more important "the little woman" is very happy on the pillion (well protected by a full set of Givi cases). Even cruising at 130mph+ has provoked very litte reaction from her. It is no great hardship to cover 400/500 miles per day.
I am now heading for the ferry ( Dublin to Holyhead) to go over to the UK to attend the BMF motorcycle rally in Peterborough on Sat/Sunday. This bike meeting is attended by about 80,000 people and there could be 20,000 or 30,000 bikes in the parking areas along with one of the biggest outdoor bike meetings in Europe. My partners greatest wish is that I will on day look at her in the same way as I look at some bikes.
Finally, great to see a bike forum and I hope it get the support it deserves.

Eirik
19-05-2000, 09:13 AM
Finally, great to see a bike forum and I hope it get the support it deserves.

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Well, you can make a difference ;) as can Ballyforman(sp? - his "name" is so long I never remember) - where did he go? He knows quite a lot about bikes, especially ancient Yamahas. Hope he'll come back.

The FJ1100/1200 is a very good allaround bike with a strong and surprisingly frugal engine. It really should come with a shaft, though - chain drive is something I'd rather not have on long, wet trips. I'm also no great fan of mono-shocks with linkages compared to twin shocks, again for maintenace reasons - although I have heard little of problems about that on the FJ, so it must be well made. But for me, the biggest drawback with the FJ is the severely limited cornering clearnace for a bike that fast. It will ground frame rails, engine, exhaust and stands long before the tyres run out of traction. I know this doesn't matter to most riders, but I live for high banking angles, especially on tight and twisty roads.

However, overall the FJ is one of the best bikes made, far superior for most riders compared to most sport bikes because it is comfortable and have engine power where it matters - in the midrange, not just crowded around the redline. It must also have one of the best finishes in the history of motorcycling - I still frequently meet 1984-model FJ1100s on the road sporting original paint in very good nick despite high mileage. Even the black finish on the engine seems to maintain its lustre quite well (something that couldn't be said for my XJ750 Seca).

Regarding the Harley - I'm no fan either, but the main reason to ride a cruiser must be to draw chicks, and nothing does that as well as a Hardly Ableson :D

Technician
31-10-2000, 04:33 PM
Hi all - new here as you can see. Just getting into the bike thing after years of traffic making me sick as a parrot. I have a question for Eirik, Citro, Ballyfermotman etc...what exactly are the restrictions for biking in Ireland? I have no bike licence (intend signing up for my provisional very soon). I am over 25 so does the 33hp restriction aply to me? I have ridden small bikes before (<125cc) but really fancy getting a plain, naked, tourer like the Honda CB500 - nothing sporty or excessively large for me please. I have heard that this bike will run for years and years and years.

I would appreciate any pointers you can provide being a relative novice to all this stuff. I'll be particularly pleased if I find out that I can go ahead and buy a nice modest medium capacity bike and not be stuck with a small, buzzing machine for 2 years.

Many thanks,
Tech.

P.S - good forum, hoping to contribute some posts over the next while. Keep it going - please!!

Ballyfermotman
03-11-2000, 09:43 PM
As I have my licence years I honestly do not know what the restrictions are for novice riders.
But I will say welcome to the world of two wheels.
and remember,

There are OLD bikers,
and there are BOLD bikers,
But there are NO OLD BOLD bikers.

Thats my lesson for today now let her rip.....NOT RIP.

Anybody got any opinions on sidecars.

Ballyfermotman.
How's it hanging Eirik,are you still around????

WhipLash
06-11-2000, 05:08 PM
Hi guys, nice to see some fresh 'banter on bikes'. Maybe you could all teach us 'Four Wheelers' a thing or two? ;)

Technician, welcome to the foums. You can find a very informative document on Irish bike licensing requirements right here! (http://eforecourt.com/motorbikes/irish_bike_license_info.pdf)

You will need Acrobat Reader (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readermain.html) to view the document.

Hope this helps.

Eirik
07-11-2000, 09:07 AM
- but only when a mail informs me of some two-wheeled stuff. Cars have never greatly interested me, and when workload is high - as it has been since summer - I don't spend any time discussing cars. I'm usually game for talking bikes, though!

Eirik

Technician
08-11-2000, 11:01 AM
The definitive guide I guess...thanks Whip, excellent stuff.

Now to book those bike lessons I think.

Tech